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    Pysche Sheets and Timeline and 6th Event decision

    When will 6th event decision be made on Indy SCY nationals ?

    When will psych sheets and timeline be available ?

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    Re: Pysche Sheets and Timeline and 6th Event decision

    Email today said 6th event was indeed dropped. Psych sheets should be up on or around 4/16.

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    Re: Pysche Sheets and Timeline and 6th Event decision

    Just curious. It's probably been said before on this forum, but when was the last time USMS had to drop the 6th event for Nationals? From what I've heard, it hasn't happened in a long time. It sucks to a degree. I was looking forward to swimming the 100 IM tapered for the first time ever.

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    Re: Pysche Sheets and Timeline and 6th Event decision

    then you should not have made it your 6th event!

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    Re: Pysche Sheets and Timeline and 6th Event decision

    Quote Originally Posted by smchenry2014 View Post
    Just curious. It's probably been said before on this forum, but when was the last time USMS had to drop the 6th event for Nationals?
    I don't know, but you may find your answer by rooting around in https://www.usms.org/content/nationals

    If you do find out, please let us know!
    The opinions expressed in the above post are mine and not those of U.S. Masters Swimming.

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    Re: Pysche Sheets and Timeline and 6th Event decision

    Quote Originally Posted by SwimTotoSwim View Post
    When will 6th event decision be made on Indy SCY nationals ?

    When will psych sheets and timeline be available ?

    Anthony Thompson
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    The dates for most of these questions are listed in the Meet Info:
    https://www.usms.org/content/scnats18meetinfo

    Sixth event decision was due today (6th event will be dropped). Off the top of my head, I think the last time the sixth event was dropped was 2016 Summer Nationals (Portland).

    Psych sheets around April 16.

    Timeline will be posted on April 25.

    Jeff Roddin

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunruh View Post
    then you should not have made it your 6th event!
    I made it my sixth event because it was my Nationals event with the lowest chance of making USMS National Top 10 for my age group. I'm not upset or anything. I'll get the chance to swim it tapered someday.

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    Re: Pysche Sheets and Timeline and 6th Event decision

    Does anyone else find it odd that USMS doesn't refund us for the 6th event? I recognize it's not a huge amount of money, but, as we have a per event charge and as they are now not delivering on this product/service (e.g., the ability to swim the 6th event), shouldn't they refund us?

    I did reach out to USMS and they did point out that this is clearly disclosed up front in the meet information. I agree they have disclosed it. It just seems like a bad 'member experience' to me ... on principal, not because I need the $6. (Though, that would pay for two days of quad espressos that I could deploy on my remaining 5 events!).

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    Re: Pysche Sheets and Timeline and 6th Event decision

    Quote Originally Posted by pwb View Post
    Does anyone else find it odd that USMS doesn't refund us for the 6th event?
    Since it is the meet host and not USMS who is ultimately receiving your entry revenue, it seems more likely that the host should be doing the refund and not USMS. That being said, I guess part of the decision may have to do with the administrative cost and burden it would place on the meet host.
    The opinions expressed in the above post are mine and not those of U.S. Masters Swimming.

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    Re: Pysche Sheets and Timeline and 6th Event decision

    Psych Sheets:
    https://www.swimphone.com/meets/even....cfm?smid=9753

    Empty lanes can dampen competitive conditions and we'd like to avoid that when possible. Although we cannot offer any refunds, if you are absolutely certain you will not be swimming any of the 50s, or 100s please let us know and you'll be removed from those events before we seed the meet to cut down on empty lanes and provide for more competitive heats. Please note that once we take you out of an event, we cannot put you back in. Scratches will be accepted through April 20.

    Please email scratches or entry errors to events@usmastersswimming.org.
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    Re: Pysche Sheets and Timeline and 6th Event decision

    Seeding

    • The 50s and 100s will be preseeded with the oldest age groups first, slowest to fastest within each age group, men and women separate.
    • The 200s will be deck seeded, with the oldest groups first, slowest to fastest within each age group, men and women separate.
    • The 400 IMs and 500 freestyles will be deck seeded slowest to fastest by entry time, regardless of age, with men and women separate.
    • The 1000 and 1650 freestyles will be deck-seeded slowest to fastest by entry time, regardless of age, with men and women combined.


    REMEMBER ALL EVENTS 200 YARDS AND LONGER WILL REQUIRE POSITIVE CHECK-IN. The women's heats will precede men's heats for each event, except the 1000 and 1650 freestyles (which are combined) and 500 freestyles (which are on separate days).
    Last edited by jroddin; April 17th, 2018 at 03:11 PM.

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    Re: Pysche Sheets and Timeline and 6th Event decision

    Quote Originally Posted by jroddin View Post
    Seeding

    REMEMBER ALL EVENTS 200 YARDS AND LONGER WILL REQUIRE POSITIVE CHECK-IN. The women's heats will precede men's heats for each event (except the 500 freestyles, which are on separate days).
    And except the 1000 and 1650 in which the men and women are combined.

    Right?
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    Re: Pysche Sheets and Timeline and 6th Event decision

    Quote Originally Posted by jroddin View Post
    Seeding

    • The 50s and 100s will be preseeded with the oldest age groups first, slowest to fastest within each age group, men and women separate.
    • The 200s will be deck seeded, with the oldest groups first, slowest to fastest within each age group, men and women separate.
    • The 400 IMs and 500 freestyles will be deck seeded slowest to fastest by entry time, regardless of age, with men and women separate.
    • The 1000 and 1650 freestyles will be deck-seeded slowest to fastest by entry time, regardless of age, with men and women combined.


    REMEMBER ALL EVENTS 200 YARDS AND LONGER WILL REQUIRE POSITIVE CHECK-IN. The women's heats will precede men's heats for each event (except the 500 freestyles, which are on separate days).
    OK, this was educational! Shouldn't make too terribly much difference with when I swim but it's nice to know beforehand.

    Question (and I might have missed it in the published meet info so just reference me to that if so): I'm driving up Thursday morning and will probably get to Indy around lunchtime. If the distance events happen to be finished by the time I get there, will the pool still be open? I'd like to get a bit of a loosen-up swim if possible.
    400 IMer/200 backstroker in another life, now sprinter/breaststroker... Yeah, I don't know how that happened either!

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    Re: Pysche Sheets and Timeline and 6th Event decision

    yes you missed it
    yes it says the pool will be open after the conclusion of each days events

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    Re: Pysche Sheets and Timeline and 6th Event decision

    Quote Originally Posted by sunruh View Post
    yes you missed it
    yes it says the pool will be open after the conclusion of each days events
    Thanks, I just skimmed too fast I guess. I need to practice going from the blocks with a wedge too, haven't ever done that!
    400 IMer/200 backstroker in another life, now sprinter/breaststroker... Yeah, I don't know how that happened either!

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    Re: Pysche Sheets and Timeline and 6th Event decision

    Quote Originally Posted by MPohlmann View Post
    And except the 1000 and 1650 in which the men and women are combined.

    Right?
    Thanks, Mary, for pointing out the oversight. I have updated the post. See you next month!

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    Re: Pysche Sheets and Timeline and 6th Event decision

    Quote Originally Posted by jroddin View Post
    Has anyone figured out how to show the events sorted by time only? I am trying to get an idea (without having to copy the data into Excel) of what the heats might look like (independent of age) for the greatest event of all time, the 400 IM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwb View Post
    Has anyone figured out how to show the events sorted by time only? I am trying to get an idea (without having to copy the data into Excel) of what the heats might look like (independent of age) for the greatest event of all time, the 400 IM.
    I have not figured out how to sort intelligently, but because I am a stat nerd, this is what the top three heats of 400 IM should look like assuming no scratches (I didn't go further than 3 heats because I figured that's what you would be interested in.
    Murray 03:49.0 Helander 04:15.9 Davis 04:23.0
    Babcock 04:06.9 Pasquesi 04:16.3 Owen 04:23.0
    Rosembaum 04:07.0 Moran 04:17.9 Casey 04:25.0
    Dray 04:07.0 Magee 04:19.2 Catlin 04:25.3
    Lawrence 04:12.3 Doherty 04:21.4 Brundage 04:25.7
    Danner 04:12.7 McCollister 04:21.7 Wagner 04:25.8
    Glaser-Garbick 04:14.2 Solano 04:22.0 Halbert 04:26.0
    Healy 04:15.5 Monahan 04:22.7 Jiminez 04:26.1
    400 IMer/200 backstroker in another life, now sprinter/breaststroker... Yeah, I don't know how that happened either!

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    Re: Pysche Sheets and Timeline and 6th Event decision

    Quote Originally Posted by JPEnge View Post
    I have not figured out how to sort intelligently, but because I am a stat nerd, this is what the top three heats of 400 IM should look like assuming no scratches (I didn't go further than 3 heats because I figured that's what you would be interested in.
    Thanks! While, on the one hand, it will be great to race in time-competitive heats, it's also nice when we get to race head-to-head in our age group. Either way, it will be fun.

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    Re: Pysche Sheets and Timeline and 6th Event decision

    "the greatest event" 400 I M OK a bit much but, I AGREE. A close 2nd might be the 200 fly.

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