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    Re: DQ overturned

    As it should be. After looking at the Approved vs. the not approved" suit coverage, that unproved area seems so small as be non recognizable. The reduction of that small an area will not offend anyone that I know. Maybe my "excess" side pods will offend more than anything I see here!

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    I read about this case elsewhere. The girl was wearing a suit issued by the school.

    I'm withholding judgement either way. I can imagine a sassy teen pulling the suit around deliberately to become borderline obscene and I can imagine a HS official getting out of hand, too.

    I have not seen any pictures, which could clarify the situation. But then I don't expect to see any pics. If her presentation was, in fact, obscene, she is 17, so possessing the pics would be a felony.

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    My understanding was that they noticed the wedgie when she got out after finishing a race, but I might have misread. Everyone's lost some coverage in a race at some point, and there's not exactly time to pick a wedge.

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    Re: DQ overturned

    This has generated a lot of interest from the national media. Here is an interesting take on the controversy https://gen.medium.com/alaska-high-s...l-33cc10f180b9. I don't know anything about the author, but she seems closer to the siuation.
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    This thing just irks me on so many levels. And I am not trying to be political, I hope I don't get that way, but it might come across that way.
    1. Stop calling this girl "curvy" the same way you call plus size models like Ashley Graham. CNN had a video of this girl (and her sister) working out, doing resistance training. They are not dainty, but they are FIT. They look pretty darn athletic.
    2. We have had 2 girls (both white, FWIW) on our USA team with this issue. Both very fit girls who make Sectional times, one of whom is knocking on the door to Futures and is being recruiting by a Pac-12 school. And guess what.....parents grumble. Parents of the younger kids on the team. The one parent who complained was the mother of a young girl. The official who made the DQ was a lady, as well (presumably also a swim Mom).
    3. This isn't about sexism or racism, IMHO. It really irks me that the media has gone out and tried to label it such, as it inherently carries a stigma that may extend to the whole sport in some people's minds. This is about prudish parents (moms, at that!) who likely/presumably never swam competitively in their high school days.
    4. The point about about the potential deliberate nature of teh swimmer doing it. I don't think taht is an unfair question to ask. Of the two girls I mentioned earlier on our team, one of them is the kind of girl you want your daughters to become. There is NFW that girl does it intentionally. The other girl I don't think did, but Icouldn't dismiss it.
    5. My skinny, small butt daughters have had their suits ride up on them a few times. Which gets to the above point. It can even happen to girls who are not physically built in a way that makes it more likley.

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    Re: DQ overturned

    It should NOT be a sexual issue, but the mom from last year and the female swim official are making it seem so, not the media.

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    Re: DQ overturned

    https://gen.medium.com/alaska-high-s...l-33cc10f180b9
    This is a good piece of writing.
    "We cannot allow our organization to become one that engages in body-shaming it should promote a healthy body image for all athletes."
    Amen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annguins View Post
    It should NOT be a sexual issue, but the mom from last year and the female swim official are making it seem so, not the media.
    The initial reports cited a coach who stated "Lauren Langford, who coaches swimming at another high school in the area, told The Washington Post that she believes racism, in addition to sexism, may have been a factor,"

    They also reported that the parent the prior year was a male "indicated to the parent who took the photographs that it was not permissible for him to take pictures "

    Those are from the Washington Post, where I first saw it. It was discussed on NPR, and countless other news outlets have reported essentially the same thing. I just am discouraged that we seem to automatically just go there before we know anything.

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    Re: DQ overturned

    Quote Originally Posted by Annguins View Post
    https://gen.medium.com/alaska-high-s...l-33cc10f180b9
    This is a good piece of writing.
    "We cannot allow our organization to become one that engages in body-shaming it should promote a healthy body image for all athletes."
    Amen.
    I dunno. The author, Lauren Langford, in the same article says:
    [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.84)]She is a minor that parent [who emailed a pic of the girl] should be arrested for possession and distribution of child pornography.[/COLOR]

    The hypocrisy of this is infuriating to me. Although I cannot condone distributing an unflattering pic of a child without permission, if a picture of the kid is "pornography," then don't the officials have a serious legal mandate to discourage it from being seen at a high school meet?

    I must disagree with you Annguins - to me, it is an appalling piece of writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickYoung View Post
    The hypocrisy of this is infuriating to me. Although I cannot condone distributing an unflattering pic of a child without permission, if a picture of the kid is "pornography," then don't the officials have a serious legal mandate to discourage it from being seen at a high school meet?
    Yeah, that struck me as pretty odd, too.

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    Re: DQ overturned

    During the h.s. swim season, there are pictures daily of h.s. swimmers in the local newspapers...many of those photos are unflattering...so wouldn't that be distribution of child pornography like the article claims?

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    Re: DQ overturned

    Gymnastics uses a spray tacky glue on the behinds to keep "weggies" from happening. I don't see that happening in swimming!

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    A photo of someone's butt isn't pornography.

    This whole story is ridiculous. Some girls' suits ride up, others' don't. Who cares? Should a guy get DQed if you can see his butt crack?

    Totally agree with the Anchorage School District's position:
    the Anchorage School District has concluded that our swimmer was targeted based solely on how a standard, school-issued uniform happened to fit the shape of her body. We cannot tolerate discrimination of any kind, and certainly not based on body shape. This disqualification was heavy-handed and unnecessary

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    Re: DQ overturned

    Quote Originally Posted by knelson View Post
    This whole story is ridiculous.
    The story is ridiculous, and the hot takes on it are at least as ridiculous. This is the 2019 world of news...
    400 IMer/200 backstroker in another life, now sprinter/breaststroker... Yeah, I don't know how that happened either!

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    Re: DQ overturned

    Quote Originally Posted by knelson View Post
    Who cares? Should a guy get DQed if you can see his butt crack?
    Or completely falls off after the start? No different than a DQ from a cap that falls off. This has attention just because of a unavoidable partial view of a butt. These Alaskans should go on vacation in Hawaii from time to time

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    Re: DQ overturned

    In the 1980s the anchor swimmer at NCAAs in a mens relay lost his suit on the dive(this was when all guys wore briefs, I believe it was a University of Texas swimmer.) He finished the race and his relay won and was not DQd. They asked him what he was thinking when this happened and he said"I was glad I wasn't swimming backstroke.''
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    Re: DQ overturned

    Quote Originally Posted by Allen Stark View Post
    In the 1980s the anchor swimmer at NCAAs in a mens relay lost his suit on the dive(this was when all guys wore briefs, I believe it was a University of Texas swimmer.) '
    I can't comment about a UT guy doing this at NCAAs, but I do remember one of our Longhorn guys losing his suit at a dual meet in California in the late 80s ... pretty sure it was Berkeley... and no DQ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knelson View Post
    Should a guy get DQed if you can see his butt crack?:
    That depends, is he a plumber by day?

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    Re: DQ overturned

    A kid on my age group team around 2001 or 2002 forgot to tie his jammers and they ended up around his knees off the start. He treaded water for a bit while pulling them up and tying them, then continued his race. No DQ that I can remember.

    Heck, before I switched to wearing jammers at meets in 2003, I had a drawer full of old meet speedos; one meet, I'd grabbed the wrong speedo and was informed after my first race that while I was bending over on the start, the center couple of inches of the back of the suit was completely see-through, leading to me mooning everyone behind me. No DQ on that race, but I think it was only see-through when it was stretched on the start.

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