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    Don't forget about the state records in US Masters. I have 50 fly SCY & SCM in age group just because nobody else entered.

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    Ande, I want to ask you one thing about that "Tip 03 Very Fast Kickers". Fast kicking will increase drag which will inturn reduce the swimmer's speed. Furthermore, when fast kicking is done at the beginning it may result in losing the speed and flow gained from the beginning push from the wall which will also reduce the swimmer's speed. What do you suggest a swimmer should do if he/she want's to maintain a fast speed with fast kicking but don't want to increase drag?

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    Quote Originally Posted by breastroker View Post
    Yes, there is Zero reason for breathing in ANY 50 event.Read my article on Sprint Breaststroke published in Swim Technique magazine.www.breaststroke.info
    I will have to disagree to this. If you do not breathe then your muscles will not get oxygen they need and this will result in producing extensive lactic acid in them which will disable you to make any further movements. It's just like the same way when you run for too long but in this case it would be like the phenomena followed on steroids! Furthermore, lack of oxygen can result into various problems and if the brain doesn't get enough oxygen then the person will probably faint and in the worst case he/she may drown due to this. I will strictly not recommend this and I am really surprised how you're able to do so. I guess it's probably because of your lung stamina but not everyone has that much!

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    SFF Tip Consider Performance & Price for Tech Suits

    It's that time of the season Again, masters swimmers are getting ready to race in various end of the season SCY meets, particularly zones or Nationals. Some of our racing suits are getting old and need replaced. I've written all kinds of tech suit tips in Swim Faster Faster like FINA Approved Tech Suits

    A new tech suit can make a big difference in how fast you swim and the best suits are probably the latest generation suits offered by the top suit makers like Speedo, Arena, Tyr, BlueSeventy, and many more makers on FINAs approved list.

    BUT each of us has got to consider our budgets, what we can afford and what's reasonable, for some, money is no object and dropping $300 to $500 on a suit or two is no problem, but for many that's a chunk. So when making your suit decisions please consider performance and price. With a little effort you could find and purchase a lightly used but pretty good suit from a friend or off eBay.


    Many times I've found New With Tags (NWT) or lightly worn tech suits on eBay, I've gotten several for around $50 each or less. Just learn what names to look for, what key words to search for, how to sort the list (I usually use "low to high" and how to play the eBay game to you get the ones you want. "Buy it NOW" is simple and straight forward but auctions sometimes require a bit of strategy, pay attention to how many watchers and how many bidders are following a particular auction, consider holding back your top price until the very last seconds when the auction is expiring and your competition has no chance to counter, don't enter it too soon. Also consider the total cost, shipping, and taxes (if the seller lives in the same state)

    At meets, I've often loaned suits to friends who were racing in crappy suits.

    You don't need to spend a fortune to get an excellent suit. Every swimmer going to a big meet should at least have 2 tech suits go to go in your swim bag, your primary racing suit & a back up in case your primary rips, wears out, or gets lost or stolen. If you search, you can get some great bargains at deep discounts. Also as meet season approaches more people are looking so you might have better luck searching earlier in the season. Affordable tech suits can definitely help you swim faster faster.

    Other Tech Suit Tips

    Cover as much skin as legally allowable, I prefer high waisted suits.

    Race in a dry suit (warm up in a practice suit, dry off then put on your competition suit)
    ( Rotate suits if you have multiple events )

    Race in a new suit, newer suits provide more compression and float than old worn out suits. What I'm saying is a lightly worn suit not the most expensive latest generation

    if you can afford it, try several different kinds or read reviews or talk with your friends.

    Go to a store and try on several different kinds if they'll allow you.
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    Re: Ande's Swimming Tips: Swimming Faster Faster

    What is your opinion on side breathing in butterfly as opposed to front breathing, and changing from one to the other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BraunMan View Post
    What is your opinion on side breathing in butterfly as opposed to front breathing, and changing from one to the other?
    I used to breath forward but would sometimes choke on the water. Started breathing to my right side about five years ago and don't have that problem, plus if feels very natural. It also helps keep you flatter in the water...at least for me.

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    Side breathing in the butterfly is certainly an option (and used with great success by Olympian Mel Stewart among several others). Over time, there is the tendency to not finish your pull completely with the arm opposite to which you are breathing. A good way to avoid this is to practice breathing to both sides in order to get some variety and achieve balance in the stroke on both sides.

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    Re: Ande's Swimming Tips: Swimming Faster Faster

    Every time this thread pops up, "swim faster faster" reminds me of my days coaching runners. Referring to interval training, I used to tell them, "If you want to run fast, run fast".

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    Re: Ande's Swimming Tips: Swimming Faster Faster

    Quote Originally Posted by BraunMan View Post
    What is your opinion on side breathing in butterfly as opposed to front breathing, and changing from one to the other?
    I think switching sides for side breathing during butterfly is a gimmick and probably wouldn't matter at all, it's just a distraction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HJ989 View Post
    Ande, I want to ask you one thing about that "Tip 03 Very Fast Kickers". Fast kicking will increase drag which will inturn reduce the swimmer's speed. Furthermore, when fast kicking is done at the beginning it may result in losing the speed and flow gained from the beginning push from the wall which will also reduce the swimmer's speed. What do you suggest a swimmer should do if he/she want's to maintain a fast speed with fast kicking but don't want to increase drag?
    sorry I didn't answer this till now.

    "Fast kicking will increase drag which will in turn reduce the swimmer's speed."
    That's an incorrect assumption. Kicking fast will move your body through the water faster.

    "Furthermore, when fast kicking is done at the beginning it may result in losing the speed and flow gained from the beginning push from the wall which will also reduce the swimmer's speed."
    I think when you write the beginning you're referring to pushing off the wall. When you push off there's a moment when you just glide in streamline position then you begin your streamline kick, then you break out and start swimming.

    "What do you suggest a swimmer should do if he/she want's to maintain a fast speed with fast kicking but don't want to increase drag?"
    kicking fast doesn't increase drag, if you do it right you swim faster.

    You need to manage your kicking effort depending on the race and which part of the race you're doing.

    hope this helps

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    Re: Ande's Swimming Tips: Swimming Faster Faster

    I feel like I'm late to this particular party but ...
    I have several questions..
    1) Do most sprinters train with teams or on their own so they can focus on what they need to?
    2) Are there certain teams/coaches that are known for specializing in making fast sprinters?
    3) is there an thread where you recommend getting your workouts from? A few looked like possibilities..
    4) For stroke technique, is there an online guru??
    I'm really trying to focus on my free and fly and only 50s and 100s. ( iM just for fun...)
    Thanks for any guidance..

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    Re: Ande's Swimming Tips: Swimming Faster Faster

    I too am a sprinter and work out some with a team and some on my own. It's fun to work out with a team because of the camaraderie and it is an extra incentive to get to a work out. Fortunately my coach is cool with me "modifying" a set - as long as I leave on the same basic interval and do not get in anyone's way. So, if my lane is doing 100's on the 1:30 - I would go first and do a blast 25 fly - then sit at the wall for them to pass and swim an easy 25 free.

    If you are a sprinter, go to the Ultra Short Race Pace training thread and link to http://coachsci.sdsu.edu/swim/usrpt/table.htm. One great USRPT set I like to do is for my 100 free. My time is about 1:01, so that is about :15 per 25. Therefor the set is 12 x 25 on :35 trying to see :15 on the digital clock, rest :40, 8 x 25 on :35 holding :15, rest :40, 4 x 25 on :35.

    Best online Guru for stroke technique is www.goswim.tv. I think it is $99 for a one year subscription and you have access to great videos with slow and super slow motion. Plus they break down the differences of a SPRINT freestyle and what to work on.

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    Ande I have always suggested your tip 224. What happens to the feet on the upbeat of the kick when swimming on the front?




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    Re: Ande's Swimming Tips: Swimming Faster Faster

    sorry I too so long to respond

    Quote Originally Posted by Sisswim View Post
    I feel like I'm late to this particular party but ...
    I have several questions..
    1) Do most sprinters train with teams or on their own so they can focus on what they need to?
    2) Are there certain teams/coaches that are known for specializing in making fast sprinters?
    3) is there an thread where you recommend getting your workouts from? A few looked like possibilities..
    4) For stroke technique, is there an online guru??
    I'm really trying to focus on my free and fly and only 50s and 100s. ( iM just for fun...)
    Thanks for any guidance..
    are you asking for yourself or a your child?

    1) Do most sprinters train with teams or on their own so they can focus on what they need to?
    Masters? I think most train with teams but there's many really fast swimmers who train solo or with a partner or partners.

    2) Are there certain teams/coaches that are known for specializing in making fast sprinters?
    YES

    3) is there an thread where you recommend getting your workouts from? A few looked like possibilities..
    there's many on this site

    4) For stroke technique, is there an online guru?
    there's many knowledgeable swimmers and coaches, I think your best bet is in person one on one stroke technique sessions. Glenn Mills with GOSWIM has filmed most great swimmers. There's also a LOT of content on youtube. It just depends what you're looking for.
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    Re: Ande's Swimming Tips: Swimming Faster Faster

    Quote Originally Posted by remas2010.2010 View Post
    Ande I have always suggested your tip 224. What happens to the feet on the upbeat of the kick when swimming on the front?

    You point your toes and attempt to get some propulsion from your upbeat, it's less noticeable on flutter kick but more so on dolphin kick. I'd also argue that fast dolphin kickers get a good amount of propulsion from the up beat of their kick cycles.
    ( upbeat = legs going from straight to bent when you're on your belly )

    TIP 224

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    Re: Ande's Swimming Tips: Swimming Faster Faster

    In a brief locker room talk with Dr. Craig "GULL" Siegel, he reminded me that as we age, at some point or along a series of points, all of us swimmers in a certain age range, maybe forced to give up on Swimming Faster Faster, and accept the new bitter pill of Swimming Slower Slower. That's not to say we will no longer have little glimmering victories, but time takes its toll. Staying fit and fierce all of your years. Thoughts?

    I've had a spotty training year with several health challenges and life events, that for now make training on 1:10 paces SCY difficult, so hello to the 1:15 lane.

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    Re: Ande's Swimming Tips: Swimming Faster Faster

    This is the voice of "SWIMMING FUTURE" - 10 years in your future.

    Times and age treat everyone the same. If we are lucky, we might postpone the inevitable, but that is all. Injuries and breaks just speed the process along. The benefit of the slower lane are:

    a) You meet new people and have time to talk while you recover from your repeat.
    b) You curse at the faster swimmers blowing by you and making waves (your were them a couple of years ago)
    c) You can also see what your stroke will look like when your body losses flexibility and mobility.
    d) AND, instead of beating yourself to death every day, you can slow down and just enjoy the water flowing along your body (heavenly).

    I have to admit, the past 20 years have been a hard transition for me and I have considered giving up the sport. BUT, speed, sweat, and burning lungs have been replaced by acceptance and enjoyment. Not a bad trade-off.

    Sorry this year has been a challenge and good luck with the on-going transition.

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    Re: Ande's Swimming Tips: Swimming Faster Faster

    Hey Ande! This very topic is being discussed here: http://forums.usms.org/showthread.ph...sters-Swimmers, including Gull's suggestion for you to start a swimming slower slower thread.

    Ande, this seems to be a common feeling among my fellow Forumite buddies. to you and King Frog! I, too, have had a year of health challenges that have affected my training and speed. The thing is, this is just one of several bad years I have had since joining USMS in 2010!

    I think two of the main factors that affect our speed/race times as we age, and how we compare to others in our age group are:
    1. Injuries
    2. Illness

    As we age, both occur more frequently. If you have an injury or illness, it will affect training, which affects speed, etc. It's a domino effect. Illness and/or injuries also affect my sleep, which in turn affects my training. Ugghhh! Little did I know in 2013 that I would not (at least to date) make NQT's again.


    Windrath, your post was excellent!
    I am currently living in that mindset you describe above. As they say, "Sink or swim!" Not wanting to (mentally or physically) sink, the only way I can keep swimming right now is to do what you have described. I love your glass-half-full approach!

    Hey, seeing that you are from Oregon Masters, give a
    to King Frog and Fly Trap (Matt Miller) for me! Same goes to former Forumites That Guy (Doug Jelen) and James Adams, if you see them at a meet!




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