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    Everybody Swims!!

    Swimmers,

    this is a continuation of a topic from the 'Top Ten Link' thread I posted earlier. In that thread, there was a discussion about keeping track of ALL swim times, so that everyone could see how he/she was doing. This is an update on that project.

    At the start of long-course season, I volunteered to round up as many sanctioned meets for Jim Matysek as I could, to be put into the USMS searchable database, found at:

    http://www.usms.org/comp/toptimes.shtml.

    I know of 49 meets (as of last weekend) that have had results posted to LMSC or Zone web sites. Of that number 44 are in the database, for a yield of about 90%. I would encourage each of you to usethis tool to see how you like it. It is not completely error-free since I had to manually-convert HTML files and Word documents for about half of all meets. I even hand-entered a couple of PDF files, which are the worst to deal with. Please let me know if you find any errors in what you see.

    I think this shows that we CAN archive all the meets with a bit of work. Certainly, it's managable for LCM and SCM courses -- maybe not yet for SCY.

    If you find this a valuable service, you can help by encouraging meet directors to submit their meet results to the USMS.

    Enjoy!

    Mel Dyck
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    I for one have enjoyed keeping up with the times. Right now I'm waiting on the DC Masters Results to get posted. Attempting to improve my position has become a great motivation to go to practice!

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    URL incorrect?

    I think this is a neat idea, and applaud all of the hard work. FYI, I'm getting an "error -- file not found" message when I click on the URL right now though. (~7pm PDT Wed)

    --Brad

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    ah ha!

    It was the period at the end of the URL.

    http://www.usms.org/comp/toptimes.shtmlhttp://www.usms.org/comp/toptimes.shtml

    This should work. Very cool tool.

    --B.

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    Originally posted by Phil M.
    I for one have enjoyed keeping up with the times. Right now I'm waiting on the DC Masters Results to get posted. Attempting to improve my position has become a great motivation to go to practice!
    Phil,

    The DC Masters meet from 8/4 is in the database as of today.

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    Thumbs up

    Great database and very useful!!! Having just completed my very first competition this past weekend @ DC Masters meet, it's great to see it in the database and know I really did it.

    A side note: To all who participate on this forum, thank you all for so much helpful advice and support. You all were a great help in pushing me to compete and go for it. My 1st competition was absolutely a great experience and accomplishment. Now it's onward to train for the next meet.

    Dan

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    Thanks for your work!

    Neat tool. Interesting observation: I am currently sitting at 25 in the M40-44 400m free, but seeded 27th in the LCN 400 with a time that is over 20 seconds faster! If I had not been to Nationals before, and know who will likely show-up and that the seeding is about right, I would be asking the question of who's jivin' who?

    I suppose this database begs the question of whether we are going to start asking people to demonstrate they have in fact swam that NQT they entered for Nationals. Inevitable I suppose, but I cringe at the thought of all the rule-making, and resulting arguments, this will entail.

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    Matt,

    The policy for seed times for nationals is that you are to seed with a time done in the past 2 years. Actually, the only mention I see in the meet info is in the NQT section where it says you need to have met the NQT in each of your events after your third event in the past 2 years. Since the database search results only show times from this year, there are many more available from last year and the nationals from 2000. That may explain your current ranking vs. seeding observation (I know I haven't swum a LC meet this year).

    I agree with you about not using this database to create new rules requiring proof of seed times. I see no reason to force someone to seed with their BEST time over the past 2 years if they are really out of shape this year compared to when they swam that time. I also see no reason to prevent someone from entering an event that they have not swum IN A MEET for the past 2 years.

    With some changes to the database, we may be able to use the data to help people fill out their on line entries in the future, by offering a pull-down menu of times swum in each event. Of course you could also just type in a time if you want. One of the challenges with this would be how to present this additional information on an already full web entry form.

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    I see that MOST of the Maryland's LMSC SC meets (01-02 season) did not get submitted. I will and get this fixed for the coming year.

    Is it worth it to have the LMSC representitive send in last seasons results??? (any thought)
    Chair, USMS Maryland, http://maryland.usms.org
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    Mo' meets -- mo' bettah!

    Hey Mike,

    thanks for the offer to help. That's exactly what we need to get this project a real head of steam.

    As for previous year's results, I think Jim may want to comment on this. My understanding is that, at the moment, we cannot easily access the past year's data in the same way it is accessed for the current year. But, this will change at some time in the (hopefully near) future when some major software changes are completed (more complicated than just changing a few lines of code). At that point, ALL data will be important for the archive. Here in Arizona, for example, our records chairman is already organized to submit these data when it becomes useful. So, some advance work wouldn't hurt. It's just not as urgent, maybe, as getting current results in a timely way.

    mel

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    Mel,

    Thanks for the reply...
    Last edited by CoachMike; August 9th, 2002 at 02:34 PM.
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    Matt some of these people only swim at nationals. I notice that one of the top breastrokers in my age group who placed 10 ten in short course hasn't swam the 50 meter or 100 meter breastrokes yet, and is entered for the national meet. So, this might explain what is going on. Good Job Matt, 27th is not bad for the 400 meter and there still meets left. Like you I look up my times, pretty good in the 50 meter breastroke at 15 right now but will probably go down to 30th at the end after all the long course meets are over. And lower in the 100 meter breastroke at 29th which will probably end up between 35th and 40th or higher at by the end.

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    Short Course Yards meet results from this year (2001-2002 season) are useful additions to the current database because that's the data displayed for SCY now. Results from previous years are also useful for building up our database, so send them also. I wouldn't put as high a priority on gathering the older results or adding them to the database, but they are still useful. In case you didn't know it, there's another way to view the data which will show all the swims in the database for each swimmer plus their splits if available. Just go to www.usms.org/comp/resultstrack.shtml and enter your name. You may be listed more than once if you've swum under a slightly different name (e.g. Jim vs. James) or different club name. Many swimmers across the country are registered with 'aggregate' teams in their LMSC and local meet directors may enter them as being a member of their local workout group instead of their official team, so swimmers end up in the database under different teams. This incarnation of the database and related tools doesn't recognize swimmers by registration number and sort out all those inconsistencies, and by the way meet directors aren't supposed to do that. Meet directors are supposed to enter swimmers with the name and team that appears on their registration card, not what the swimmer filled out in their entry form.

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    Time to Swim or Get Out of the Kitchen

    I'm off to Lucy Johnson's LCM meet in Irvine in a few minutes. I just printed out the top 25 swimmers in all the events I entered, just in case. This is pretty neat!

    mel

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    All the results from the Maryland meets for this year are available on the Maryland LMSC website in the dreaded PDF format. Maybe you don't like it, but it is the only way that all the participants can be sure to read them. If I knew where to send them, I could give them to you in Hytek for 3 of the meets and in Excel for the other 4 meets. I just get tired of posting things in a million places. Very few swimmers are aware of the website this posting thread is discussing.

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    Barb,

    You can either send the Hy-Tek databases to me and the Excel files to Mel, or just send them all to Mel. Mel searches for meet results and does the conversions from Excel and other formats to SDIF and I do some verification and handle the database updates and testing. If you want just one contact, send them all to Mel and we'll sort it out. By the way, Mel's work on this project to locate, retrieve, and convert so many meet results has been OUTSTANDING. It really takes a lot of time to do what he has been doing here

    "Very few swimmers are aware of the website this posting thread is discussing."

    That's what we're trying to fix! From the replies we've received here and via email, everyone who is aware of this finds it to be very useful. Links from LMSC and club web sites to the database pages would help get the word out also.

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    Mel,

    Thank you for championing this project. I had a blast checking my times and seeing where I stack against a nationwide sampling of swimmers. This type of database will help me set realistic goals for next year.

    This database provides a great research tool as well when the sample is large enough. I've read a lot of posts related to age based performance. I would be fun to run some of the events and age groups through a statistical analysis.

    I will encourage my LMSC to post their meets and post a link to the database in our Newsletter.

    Thanks again,

    Michael

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    Illinois State SCY Masters Championships

    Jim, Mel,

    This past spring the Central Masters Swimming Association held a pretty significant meet at Northwestern Univ. Lots of swimmers; lots of fast times. I noticed they were not in the database, which does not surprise me because the meet results are not easy to find on the web. They are at http://cmsaswim.usms.org/cmsastate.htm.

    Matt
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    Matt
    When u click on ur url it comes up as file not found. Must be a glitch somewhere.

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