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    Quote Originally Posted by ande View Post
    if your "Ankles seem to cross each other" then they are. At some point in your stroke cycle they are crossing & probably hitting each other

    you asked: How can I work on this coordination?
    Do 25's where you concentrate on doing a strong steady 6 beat kick
    See if you can learn to keep your legs slightly apart and get to where they don't cross.

    Have a friend with an Iphone or an underwater camera video you.
    Thanks, I really improved in only one session. I felt at the end the legs were making it my arms easier to do 25 meters in sprint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl_S View Post
    This makes good sense. I'm going to re-test next week with an emphasis on toe-pointing only on the upsweep.



    That is consistent with my thinnking so my body position was definitely not corect when I was rigidly pointing my toes as I suspected. Hopefully relaxing on the downbeat will correct this. I will report back.
    Karl: your question triggered me. I tried tonight both variations but then vertical. I felt no difference in maintaining my head out of the water when practising both ways.

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    Re: Help My Flutter Kick is Horrible!

    Anyone working on improving their flutter kick?

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    YES!!

    I haven't been able to get anyone to time me so I haven't posted anything here. It's really improved though and I know that timing it would show that. It's just been a matter of putting in the work and realizing that the gains come slowly.

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    YES!!

    I haven't been able to get anyone to time me so I haven't posted anything here. It's really improved though and I know that timing it would show that. It's just been a matter of putting in the work and realizing that the gains come slowly.
    Do you have a water resistant digital watch? Just place it on deck at the end of the lane (or wear it) and you can time yourself!
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    Re: Help My Flutter Kick is Horrible!

    Thanks Elaine. I do that a little bit but I'm not sure I'm getting accurate times. Like, I finish at 15 yards, or 20 yards or at the wall and then look at my watch. Then I start trying to figure out how long it took me to raise my wrist up near my face in order to see the time (ha ha, old eyes!!) and then do the subtraction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three Rivers View Post
    Thanks Elaine. I do that a little bit but I'm not sure I'm getting accurate times. Like, I finish at 15 yards, or 20 yards or at the wall and then look at my watch. Then I start trying to figure out how long it took me to raise my wrist up near my face in order to see the time (ha ha, old eyes!!) and then do the subtraction.
    But, it's all relative, right? If you do it the same way each time, you will know if you went faster or slower. When my husband times me on 25's, they always seem faster than when I time myself. I'm losing that time it takes to look at my watch; I figure it's about .5. So, I know not to get too excited when he tells me I broke 20 on a 25 yard breaststroke!

    Just come up with a consistent way of checking your watch for an accurate comparison.

    Regardless, keep on kickin'!
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    Yes ↑ , just any athletic watch will do. Some can store 30+ splits and cost less than $30. Just get one that has a nice big start/stop button that detentes easily.

    As far as accuracy is concerned, it really is not needed for gauging progress. Precision is the important thing, and the more you time yourself, the more precise it becomes. You just have to standardize the procedure, use the same pool (even lane), time of day, suit, kick board, and method of time.

    You can do it like this:
    With board in hand ready to go, hit start then GO!
    Kick
    Hit the wall and STOP as soon as you can.

    Once you've gotten your timing down after a dozen or so practice attempts, your precision should be within 0.2 - 0.5 seconds, which is quite reasonable for gauging.

    Once you do the real test, try 3 attempts with 5 minutes rest. Don't forget to kick as if a crocodile is chasing you and think through the wall.

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    Re: Help My Flutter Kick is Horrible!

    Anybody here working on kicking FASTER?

    This past season, I did more flutter kicking with a board.

    Pick a program, Do it, Report your results.

    It works when you work it!

    LINKS to Speed Training Programs:

    Help My flutter Kick is Horrible
    U.S. Masters Swimming Discussion Forums - View Single Post - Help My Flutter Kick is Horrible!
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    Help my SDK is Horrible
    Help! My SDK is Horrible! - U.S. Masters Swimming Discussion Forums


    Help my Speed is Horrible
    Help My Speed is Horrible! - U.S. Masters Swimming Discussion Forums
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    Wow, great forum. I can't wait to try some of these drills.

    I have been swimming for years with minimal progress, and I finally came to the conclusion it is my kick, something i have never worked on much. Like some of the other posters, I have had a lot of problems with cramping. The few drills I have worked on recently seem to help. My biggest issue appears to be stiff ankles and feet. I have size 11.5 feet so i think I could kick OK if I can improve my flexibility.

    What is the best way to do this? Would the drills themselves accomplish this? I have tried some stretching exercises over the last couple of months, but I don't appear to have made much progress. A friend suggested that it is really hard to improve ankle and foot flexibilty.

    Thanks for the help!

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    Anyone have any kicking advice for someone that has had foot/ankle surgeries in the past? One of my issues is that my ankles are not very flexible and I can not completely point my feet due to achelies tendons being lengthened in some reconstruction surgeries. The only way I seem to get any propulsion from kicking is when I'm on my back. I get nothing during freestyle, seems like I can kick just enough to keep my body straight in the water. Is it hopeless for me?

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    Re: Help My Flutter Kick is Horrible!

    Quote Originally Posted by tskinner View Post
    Anyone have any kicking advice for someone that has had foot/ankle surgeries in the past? One of my issues is that my ankles are not very flexible and I can not completely point my feet due to achelies tendons being lengthened in some reconstruction surgeries. The only way I seem to get any propulsion from kicking is when I'm on my back. I get nothing during freestyle, seems like I can kick just enough to keep my body straight in the water. Is it hopeless for me?
    Not sure
    Attempt to stretch to improve your toe point, carefully
    Part is ankle flexibility & part is foot flexibility

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    Re: Help My Flutter Kick is Horrible!

    Goal: flutter kick 50 LCM (SCM) in 41 (39)
    • from push
    • no board
    • use snorkel
    • no SDK's off the start (or turn)


    44.0 on 3/8/14 (SCM)
    46.L on 3/10/14 (LCM)
    Last edited by __steve__; March 10th, 2014 at 04:03 PM.

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    Re: Help My Flutter Kick is Horrible!

    Goal: flutter kick 50 LCM (SCM) in 41 (39)

    • from push
    • no board
    • use snorkel
    • no SDK's off the start (or turn)



    42.mid on 3/14/14 (SCM)
    44.0 on 3/8/14 (SCM)

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    Re: Help My Flutter Kick is Horrible!

    Quote Originally Posted by __steve__ View Post
    Goal: flutter kick 50 LCM (SCM) in 41 (39)

    • from push
    • no board
    • use snorkel
    • no SDK's off the start (or turn)




    42.mid on 3/14/14 (SCM)
    46.L on 3/10/14 (LCM)
    44.0 on 3/8/14 (SCM)
    Congratulations!
    Starting is the most important step.
    Also track your 25 times
    41 LCM is pretty fast

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    Re: Help My Flutter Kick is Horrible!

    Thanks Ande,

    Last year my 25's reached a maximum velocity at just under 0:18. I will rest up and do a 25 and 50 SCM time trial next week.

    The 41 LCM goal I feel, will definitely be a hard earned pursuit.

    I've also learned good kicking requires among other things, a certain feel and narrow range

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    Re: Help My Flutter Kick is Horrible!

    Had a good day today

    50 LCM flutter kick for time:
    • 4|03|14 44 mid
    • 3|24|14 45 mid
    • 3|10|14 46 low


    from a push, no board, with snorkel

    On the other hand my 25 has slowed down almost a half second. But it could have been due to other factors
    • 3|28|14 19.?



    Found good article (will include this for next kick report post):

    http://www.wvwaquatics.com/documents...ks_and_25s.pdf
    Last edited by __steve__; April 15th, 2014 at 05:55 PM.

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    Re: Help My Flutter Kick is Horrible!

    congrats
    that's progress
    eventually you might want to use a stop watch

    Quote Originally Posted by __steve__ View Post
    Had a good day today

    50 LCM flutter kick for time:
    • 4|03|14 44 mid
    • 3|24|14 45 mid
    • 3|10|14 46 low


    from a push, no board, with snorkel

    On the other hand my 25 has slowed down almost a half second. But it could have been due to other factors
    • 3|28|14 19.?

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