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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Thompson View Post
    Also, when you raced backstroke with the nose clip, what race distance did you swim that allowed you to have the 4 to 5 yard advantage over swimming with non nose clips?

    I recall I read here on the forums that you said you got disqualified at the 2004 LC Nationals doing the 50 back in a relay for going beyond the 15 meter mark on your breakout at the begining of the race.
    Skip, your memory/recall never ceases to amaze me.

    Yes, I was DQ’ed for exceeding 15 meters in a relay at Savannah, and this was without my nose clip.

    And while I don’t frequently race backstroke, I will throw a 200 back in every now and then. As for adding 4-5 meters, this is in the 200 back where without a nose clip I’m usually up just past the flags on the back half, and with one on I will go nearly half a length (SCY).

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    Re: Nose Clip

    This is a little off where the topic seems to have gone , but back to the rudiments of nose clips --- I found Keifer site and viewed the nose clips they offer. There are three "styles" (who knew?) and I am wondering if those of you who have used this brand have a preference, or experience with one or all and can give word of advice? Now that I am a total believer and convert to nose clip use, I would like to experience a bit more comfort than the Speedo brand is offering.

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    I buty them from Keifer. I get the ones they make and I buy 12 at a tiem. they are for synco swimmers. There are 2 sized. the small ones I have only found in a catalogue the SCAT webpage. They are really small. I must have a big nose (doesn't look that big to me) because I have to take the large ones & stretch them.

    As for the entry about swimming on your back underwater. taht's how I learned to kick for butterfly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craiglll@yahoo.com View Post
    I buty them from Keifer. I get the ones they make and I buy 12 at a tiem. they are for synco swimmers. There are 2 sized. the small ones I have only found in a catalogue the SCAT webpage. They are really small. I must have a big nose (doesn't look that big to me) because I have to take the large ones & stretch them.

    As for the entry about swimming on your back underwater. taht's how I learned to kick for butterfly.
    Craig:

    I have been doing some research on the website since I've been having a lot of trouble with my sinuses since I starting swimming again. (I also have terrible allergies.) I see that you have always answered everyone's questions on every new thread on this topic. I've concluded that I need to use saline sprays/rinses and try nose clips. I just wanted to thank you for all the advice that you've given over and over.

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    Nose clips are goofy.. so are my swim goggles or for that matter any swim goggles! But I wear them as I am not a "Hollywood" heads up swimmer. I have used a nose clip plenty of times. Its for the pool not going to the supermarket! LOL! Don't worry lots of us have the same troubles time to time. Nose plugs,swimcaps goggles , real swimmers use them all.

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    Re: Nose Clip

    Quote Originally Posted by lapswimmr View Post
    Nose plugs,swimcaps goggles , real swimmers use them all.
    Yes, just yesterday I chuckled to myself as I went through the inventory of what I was putting on... Heart Rate monitor (check); swim cap (check); ear plugs (check), goggles (check); nose clip (check); (newly ) SwiMP3 (check)... What a simple sport! No wonder those runners seem to have such an easy start!

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    Re: Nose Clip

    Thank you all for your support and great information!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fortress View Post
    Craig:

    I have been doing some research on the website since I've been having a lot of trouble with my sinuses since I starting swimming again. (I also have terrible allergies.) I see that you have always answered everyone's questions on every new thread on this topic. I've concluded that I need to use saline sprays/rinses and try nose clips. I just wanted to thank you for all the advice that you've given over and over.
    Thank you, few people realize that I know everything, except how to type well. The reason I respond is because I know that many doctors don't understand allergies nor nasal pasages, let alone us common swimmers. From all of the research I've done, I am convinced that many of the people who have nasal problems when swimming are either blowing out too hard through their noses, have mild sinus infections, or have polyps in their sinus cavities. Last spring my ENT put me on antibiotics for about one month & prednisone. My polyps shrunk and I still don't have any problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
    Why on earth would you go to that much trouble?

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    From all of the research I've done, I am convinced that many of the people who have nasal problems when swimming are either blowing out too hard through their noses, ...

    Now that I read this Craig, I think that is exactly what I had been doing. AND I thought it was what I should be doing. So thank you for clearing this up!

    Nose clips are it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Thompson View Post
    When I was at the World meet this summer I saw very few people do this in the 200 meter backstroke on the 2nd and 3rd turns. For that matter on the 200 fly, I didn't see anybody go the maximum 15 meters on all three turns and I specifically watched for this.\
    Frank, you should come to Colonies Zone meets. I missed his worlds race, but Michael Ross from New England Masters (he's 38 I believe) seems to be a BIG proponent of taking the max underwater. Only on the last 25 of his 200s does he seem to come up any earlier than the 15 meters. I used to be a big fan of backstroke, gave it up and am kinda getting back into it again, and have been secretly (until now) watching most of his races for tips. He's got an amazing stroke, is incredibly powerful underwater, and also seems like a nice guy.

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    Hello Muppet:

    I am very well aware of Michael Ross or "Lets Race" as he is called on these forums and you couldn't pick a better example in USMS of someone perfecting undulation speed through breakout and SDK for maximum breakout. I saw both his 50 Back and 100 meter back at the World Meet. I have not seen him in a 200 meter back and would be interested to see if he could hit the 15 meter mark with all of the turns.

    I also remember when he was the fastest 50 yard backstroker in the world in 1990. He swam for Princeton and there 200 Medley relay repeated as NCAA Champions in 1989 and 1990. What I remember is that he swam the whole race underwater and came up for a breath at the 25 turn and at the finish. Back then you could do this because there was no 15 meter regulation. I remember that relay well because he was 4th in the 100 Back and beat the 3 guys (Rouse,Thibault, and Zubero) in the 50 in the relay by almost a half a second by going :21.81 and getting Princeton a nice lead to break the US Open record going 1:27.31. I believe for the 50 back he was easily the equal of David Berkoff because I believe his best time was :21.6 and I don't think Berkoff was much faster than that for a 50. Berkoff, also know as "Blastoff" on the college swimming forums and righly so, revolutionalized backstroke technique by racing the first 35 to 40 meters of the 100 meter backstroke underwater, becoming the first swimmer ever under 55 seconds. These two are about as good as it gets and there are others out there that have mastered this style with the new regulations.

    The point is that not all masters swimmers can be like Mike or David for that matter, but can try to incorporate techniques for improvements. One point that swimmers must accept is that lung capacity diminishes with age so that is one inhibitor that we must accept while trying to perfect this. I think one has to know what there limits are with there VO2 Max and be able to keep there stroke smooth and stable in the face of anxiety and physiological adversity. Maybe a lot of hypoxic training along with doing a lot of SDK in practice can help with extended dolphin kicks of the wall to 15 meters. I have also heard that fin kicking is great for this and forces flexibility with the body staying horizontal through the breakout making it easier for streamlining while increasing core body strength. I guess the best way to test this is to experiement in practice and re-create the stress that the body experiences during a race.

    I am still not sure about the nose clip because even though it provides relief when having difficulty in balancing the pressure of air inside your nose with that of water outside the nose, when swimming on the surface you cut off that oxygen that you could generate thru the nose making it kind of an unnatural breathing technique that your not used to doing when swimming at high speeds.
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    Re: Nose Clip

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Thompson View Post

    I am still not sure about the nose clip because even though it provides relief when having difficulty in balancing the pressure of air inside your nose with that of water outside the nose, when swimming on the surface you cut off that oxygen that you could generate thru the nose making it kind of an unnatural breathing technique that your not used to doing when swimming at high speeds.
    I guess it is naturall for me to breath through the mouth only - it's a professional flutist's thing.

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    There is another reason water gets inthe sinus cavities. During a flip the water pressure changes. If you flip too slowly, the water pressure change will push water into your nose. Most people breath out through their nose at this tiem. If you don't, the water rushes in.

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    Re: Nose Clip

    Quote Originally Posted by craiglll@yahoo.com View Post
    There is another reason water gets inthe sinus cavities. During a flip the water pressure changes. If you flip too slowly, the water pressure change will push water into your nose. Most people breath out through their nose at this tiem. If you don't, the water rushes in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by craiglll@yahoo.com View Post
    There is another reason water gets inthe sinus cavities. During a flip the water pressure changes. If you flip too slowly, the water pressure change will push water into your nose. Most people breath out through their nose at this tiem. If you don't, the water rushes in.
    hmmm, maybe thats why i got a sinus infection... well that settles it. no more flip turns! from now on, my 500 will feature 19 open turns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muppet View Post
    hmmm, maybe thats why i got a sinus infection... well that settles it. no more flip turns! from now on, my 500 will feature 19 open turns.
    Have you ever tried it that way? I had some lower back issues a few months a go and it hurt to flip turn so I did open turns instead ... it was SO tiring ... I don't know how people do it. It takes longer (duh!) and takes so much more energy ... blech
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyQueen View Post
    Have you ever tried it that way? I had some lower back issues a few months a go and it hurt to flip turn so I did open turns instead ... it was SO tiring ... I don't know how people do it. It takes longer (duh!) and takes so much more energy ... blech
    I think the last time I did that many open turns at once was back when I was 16, literally just getting into swimming. I joined this program to swim 1-2 times a week the fall before I started my first year of HS swimming. One night, they had us doing a T-30. I had never done anything longer than ~150 or so at a time to that point. It was exhausting and I started doing a lot of open turns. It was a long swim - i got lapped at least 4x by these 11-12 year-old bimbos in my lane.

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    Re: Nose Clip

    I have been trying to use a nose clip to cut down on sinus infections because swimming has definitely been making me ill. (Don't have one now, thankfully.) I've used them with very limited success. When they stay on, I can definitely stay underwater longer on backstroke. No contest. But I can't seem to keep them on at all. I've tried the synchro and speedo ones. They don't stay on my nose. I'm not wearing a strap. What the heck am I doing wrong?

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