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    Pacific Masters goes to New England Team Model

    Pacific Masters announces the a new model for teams in Pacific. After a lot of work put in by the Team Committee, The Pacific LMSC will go to the New England team model. In the model, there is one team for competing at National and worlds, but for local events, the teams will compete as workout groups. Except for teams trying to break a record (see below).

    At the XI FINA World Masters Championships, there were many relay teams that combined for the World Championships. In the 200 Mixed Medley relay 200-239 a combined Colorado team beat a combined Florida for the event and also lowered the World record by 4.5 seconds.- Walnut Creek, a team with a single practice location beat the WR by 1.5 seconds an came in a distant 3rd.

    Pacific Masters were disappointed. and I was asked as chairman what we could do about it. I appointed a committee of Barry Fasbender, Vice President of Operations, Kerry O'Brien of Walnut Creek Masters and Coaches co chair and Nancy Ridout, registrar and past USMS President to see what Pacific could do to be competitive in national and world records.

    The result was to implement the New England LMSC model in 2007. In that model, most teams will no longer exist except as workout groups. See page about teams). All swimmers will be registered as members of Team Pacific (TPAC) unless they formally opt out to be "unattached" or to registered with a team.

    Starting next year, Team Pacific will be the main team from Pacific Masters for US Nationals and FINA World Competition. Team Pacific will be able to draw from its over 10,000 athletes to compete in these prestigious events. Worlds and Nationals are such great events that Pacific wants to honor these events by allowing our best athletes to compete against the best athletes from other parts of the nation. Without being limited to just the local single pool team, Pacific can compete against the great teams of Team Tyr, Colorado and Florida.

    Kerry O'Brien will be the head coach, besides overall coaching management of the Team Pacific, he will be the mens head coach (Men's relays). Brian Stack will be assistant head coach and have charge of the women (women's relays). Scott Williams and Tim Sheeper will be in charge of the mixed medley relays.

    Brian said Pacific has always had such a strong contingent of women swimmers, I am proud to be the head coach. Imagine have a relay team of Laura Val, Leanne Crittenden, Debbie (Meyer) Webber and Suzannne Heim-Bowen as a 200+ relay team

    Next year is the XII FINA World Masters Championships in Perth Australia, Pacific will be picking up half the air fare for the four coaches.

    So that swimmers who know how well they are swimming, if they plan to go to worlds in Perth, USF is making a change in their Valentines day meet. For the first time in 16 years, USF will host a long course meet. Cathy Huang, aquatics supervisor, said that the having a long course meet at that time of the year will be difficult, but USF had so much fun at the Stanford meet, that USF is willing to help in the new model.

    For all those swimmers who will be traveling to Perth, Pacific is asking all to swim at the USF meet next February just to meet the coaches and to see how they are doing.

    Rich Burns who designed the mascot of the XI FINA World Masters Championships will be designing the Team Pacific Logo and Mascot. After discussion with NorCal Swim wear to become the exclusive dealer with Team Pacific. Pacific LMSC has spoken with Stu Isaacs of Speedo and Roque Santos of Nike about becoming the official team supplier of Team Pacific.

    The Pacific masters Short Course Yards championships will be held at the deep water pool in Pleasanton in late May this in 2008 after the World and USMS Championships in Austin. Team Pacific will be be going after all the short course relay records.

    Jody Smith of Stanford Masters has been working with the Athletic Department to have the Pacific Masters Long Course Championships at the Avery Center. Due to the use of the pool in the summer, the Belardi pool will be available either the last weekend in July or the first weekend in August, thus giving the athletes time to compete then rest before Nationals in Oregon. This will be the long course meet for those who could not travel to Perth.

    We have so many great swimmers that I think I have challenged the coaches to get half the short course records and 2/3 of the USMS Long course relay records.

    We've seen how well Masters swimmers have performed over the past 25 years., We know that masters swimmers, but getting allowing some of the top USMS swimmers to compete on a team, we can really show the world what masters swimmers can do.

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    Re: Pacific Masters goes to New England Team Model

    First the Ukrainian coach video, then the Thorpe controvery, and now this! What a week!

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    Needless to say I am very disappointed in Pacific Masters, if in fact they intend to move forward with the "New England Team Model"...I have always admired the swimmers in the Pacific LMSC and their individuality and the their attitude "its not all about winning"...Apparently it is all about winning, WR and NR....What a shame...

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    Re: Pacific Masters goes to New England Team Model

    Quote Originally Posted by Mel View Post
    Needless to say I am very disappointed in Pacific Masters, if in fact they intend to move forward with the "New England Team Model"...I have always admired the swimmers in the Pacific LMSC and their individuality and the their attitude "its not all about winning"...Apparently it is all about winning, WR and NR....What a shame...

    Mel
    Hey Mel,

    What day is it???

    See Ya Brian

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    Re: Pacific Masters goes to New England Team Model

    I am personally enraged, have contacted the LMSCs on the right coast and have been working up a plan to consolidate into the Atlantic Peninsula Rim Intracoastal Lmsc under the direction of the top administrator in the area, Sloof Day.

    Take that, left coast!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Pacific Masters goes to New England Team Model

    The Deathstar has been launched. May the force be with you.
    Life keeps throwing curve balls; the trick, I'm learning, is to duck...

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    Re: Pacific Masters goes to New England Team Model

    Quote Originally Posted by TRYM_Swimmer View Post
    I am personally enraged, have contacted the LMSCs on the right coast and have been working up a plan to consolidate into the Atlantic Peninsula Rim Intracoastal Lmsc under the direction of the top administrator in the area, Sloof Day.

    Take that, left coast!!!!!!!!!!
    What age group is Sloof in? Maybe we'll steal him for a relay, money talks!
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    Re: Pacific Masters goes to New England Team Model

    More power to you Pacific LMSC. The records (relays that is) are a joke anyway. I for one commend you for remaining independent for so long, but can't blame you. Anyone on here who complains are being hypocritical in my opinion. I have never understood how getting a record by recruiting other swimmers just for the sake of getting the record means anything.

    I swim in Arizona, but could care less what team I represent at Nationals, Worlds, etc. If I have the opportunity to swim with a great relay regardless of where we are from I would do it in an instant. The chance to participate with other great swimmers, as well as learn from them is worth it.

    I have seen numerous times where Arizona Masters has swimmers on our team from many parts of the country. Many of them never live here, they just know someone on the team. It's a joke, but it's the way it is...

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    Re: Pacific Masters goes to New England Team Model

    Sam- I have great respect for you, but for you to state that anyone who complains is hypocritical is a stretch. I have competed Masters for many years, occasionally at a high level, and have consistently refused to compete for any super teams (and I have been asked). So how am I a hypocrite if I comment?
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    Re: Pacific Masters goes to New England Team Model

    How about checking the date of this post? April 1st?

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    Re: Pacific Masters goes to New England Team Model

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Cruise View Post
    Sam- I have great respect for you, but for you to state that anyone who complains is hypocritical is a stretch. I have competed Masters for many years, occasionally at a high level, and have consistently refused to compete for any super teams (and I have been asked). So how am I a hypocrite if I comment?
    Peter, and all I am sorry for my blanket statement. Obviously I don't mean people in your situation. Kudos to you and others for refusing to compete.

    Michael, great job for the April Fool's. I feel like an idiot...

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    Re: Pacific Masters goes to New England Team Model

    What ever else is true about this situation,Michael got the relay wrong. Oregon won the 200-239 Mixed MR at Worlds(one of my best memories from Worlds.)
    "To strive,to seek,to find,and not to yield" Tennyson
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    Lightbulb Re: Pacific Masters goes to New England Team Model

    Even though it is traditionally only fair to pull an April Fool's stunt in the morning of April 1st, we will give Michael his due, with the caveat that none of us will ever take anything he says seriously again.
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    Re: Pacific Masters goes to New England Team Model

    with a name like michael moore, only 49 percent take him seriously anyway

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    Re: Pacific Masters goes to New England Team Model

    Quote Originally Posted by chaos@ulster.net View Post
    with a name like michael moore, only 49 percent take him seriously anyway
    Very good point....

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    Re: Pacific Masters goes to New England Team Model

    Oh man. I wanted to be the first to reply! Rats.

    Michael, your flight back from Melbourne must have been LONG!!! I am so jealous. You got to be at one of the best swim meets in history... Did you bring back Aaron Peirsol for me?! Ok, I'll settle for seeing the award you received. Congratulations by the way

    Good post! One for the ages. I read the first few sentences and when it got really thick I looked at the date. The part about Nike and Speedo being co-sponsors is really a joke!

    I like your thinking Michael and I'm glad you're back safe. Nuts, but safe.

    Karen Duggan
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    PS Kerry would be the head coach should we decide to launch the Death Star
    Just kidding Mel
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    Michael.....next time I see you the beer is on me.....you got Mel BIG TIME on that.....he's been surfing here under the radar but it took you to pull him out...Mel, did yo check your blood pressure after replying?!
    I crack myself up. It is jealousy. It is Boredom. I Did not accomplish enough when I was young, and I hate anybody faster/younger than me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Smith View Post
    Michael.....next time I see you the beer is on me.....you got Mel BIG TIME on that.....he's been surfing here under the radar but it took you to pull him out...Mel, did yo check your blood pressure after replying?!
    Does this mean I don't get to coach the women's relays???
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    Re: Pacific Masters goes to New England Team Model

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Stack View Post
    What age group is Sloof in? Maybe we'll steal him for a relay, money talks!
    Avril (Sloof) Day is always 41 and cannot be bought.

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    Re: Pacific Masters goes to New England Team Model

    Brian,
    Pick me, pick me! Can I be on your relay? I don't want to do fly though, or back, or breast, or free. Is that a problem? Oh, and I can't sprint, but you already knew that...
    Did I ever tell you that you are my favorite coach? (Kerry is just a figurehead really. We know he gets all of his workouts from you. It's been so nice of you to coach two teams really- Manatees and WC. That's how come you're always at our 10:30 workout- you're really, secretly, delivering the next day's workouts huh?)
    Now, another diabolical, conspiracy has reared its ugly head in Pacific Masters- Brian Stack and Kerry O'Brien are... TO BE CONTINUED


    OK, I'm really bored at work.
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