Strings and Things and Esoterica

[mattson]

Originally Posted by tjburk

They might laugh at it...but they can't disprove it. And it was telling facts long before scientists were...

Jeremiah 33:22 Talks of incalculable number of stars, but scientists at that time thought there was only 1,100 stars. Which proved to be right?

A "circle of the earth" can be a disc (flat) as well as a sphere, so that buys you nothing.

Scientists have calculated the number of stars (within errors). Much larger than 1100, but hardly incalculable.

[Snot Bubble]

OK, fine, if you throw enough stuff at a wall, something's bound to stick. The book is full of unexplainable and/or impossible phenomena as well. How about Lot's wife, who had the temerity to take one last look at the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and turned into salt? Or Noah, at the ripe old age of about 400, building a boat to avoid getting washed away, then filling it with two of every creature before the rain started?

The book is filled with lots of stories from dozens of sources. Some may have been witnessed, but most are just stories. Facts in the stories are just a coincidence.

[Leonard Jansen]

Originally Posted by tjburk

They might laugh at it...but they can't disprove it. And it was telling facts long before scientists were...

Jeremiah 33:22 Talks of incalculable number of stars, but scientists at that time thought there was only 1,100 stars. Which proved to be right?

Yes, but the scientific method encourages everything to be examined, tested, and corrected. Which, in the case you mention, has happened.

As to scientific "facts" in the bible (all from King James version):
Genesis 6:4 Says that there were giants on the earth. (No corroboration of this has ever been found.)
Leviticus 11:6 Says that rabbits/hares chew cuds. (No, they don't.)
Isaiah 40:22 Says that the earth is a circle. (No, it's a sphere.)
Judges 7:12 "...their camels were without number, as the sand by the sea side ..." (Neither the number of camels nor the grains of sand are transfinite.)

etc, etc, etc....

Why these haven't been corrected in 2000+ years is shocking for a scientific journal/text.

(And yes, I am pulling your chain a bit - no antagonism meant.)

Besides, we ALL have a common enemy: Mattson and his evil ilk are going to fire up the CERN collider and the earth will be sucked up into a black hole. You just have to read lots of science fiction to know that this is the truth. Or maybe we can twist the Book of Revelations to prove this as well. Of course, the good news about that is that there won't be any more debates about tech suits after that, so maybe we should let them fire the d@mned thing up.

-LBJ

[mattson]

Originally Posted by Leonard Jansen

Besides, we ALL have a common enemy: Mattson and his evil ilk are going to fire up the CERN collider and the earth will be sucked up into a black hole.

You might get a kick out of this website (I don't remember if I posted it last year):
http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

[chaos]

could it be that the bible is a collection of metaphors?

if not; i'll look after your pets post rapture provided you pay me for the service..... in advance.

[JMiller]

Originally Posted by mattson

Scientists have calculated the number of stars (within errors). Much larger than 1100, but hardly incalculable.

This is a curious statement.... Can we really calculate how many stars are in the Universe? Do we know where the edge of the Universe is, or is that just a limitation of our instrumentation?

[mattson]

Originally Posted by JMiller

This is a curious statement.... Can we really calculate how many stars are in the Universe? Do we know where the edge of the Universe is, or is that just a limitation of our instrumentation?

What do you mean by the edge of the universe?

Think of the line used to draw a circle. 1-dimensional, with no edge.
Think of the earth's surface. 2-dimensional, but has no edge.
Same idea for the universe. 3-dimensional, but no center or edge.

Take a look at the Wikipedia

article on Cosmic microwave background radiation

Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation

. It is one of the observations that matches up with the Big Bang model.

[tjburk]

Genesis 6:4 Says that there were giants on the earth. (No corroboration of this has ever been found.)

So if something doesn't exist for evolution...it's because we haven't found it yet...but if it's from the Bible it's automatically said to be false?

Leviticus 11:6 Says that rabbits/hares chew cuds. (No, they don't.)

Do you know that they didn't back then? Just asking...since things supposedly evolve...don't they?

Isaiah 40:22 Says that the earth is a circle. (No, it's a sphere.)

Is not a sphere..a circular object? We can play word games all day...


Job 26:7 He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing.

At the time the scientists believed the earth sat on a large animal...hmmm

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood,

Scientists at the time believed people needed to be bled to be healed...hmmm

And I agree with JMiller...how can we know the number of stars when we don't even know the size of the universe?

Hey snot bubble - did you know that archaeologists are continually finding more and more things that prove the validity of the Bible?...places and events that are in the Bible that they have actually found. And that there are plenty of external references to the people from that time from other sources...go google Josephus - Yosef Ben Matityahu (Joseph, son of Matthias) and see what you find...


We can go round and round all day...in the end it comes to a matter of faith!!!

Faith in what man says he thinks happened to create the world...that has yet to be proved.

Or faith in God who has a written account of how it happened, that has yet to be disproved.

[JMiller]

Originally Posted by mattson

What do you mean by the edge of the universe?

Answering a question with a question... hmmm... any guess as to the total number of stars in the Universe? (My gut feeling is the actual number is likely not static in nature, so the answer will be indefinitely elusive.)

Originally Posted by mattson

Take a look at the Wikipedia article on Cosmic microwave background radiation. It is one of the observations that matches up with the Big Bang model.

Hey, that is something I still want to understand. Microwaves everywhere? Cell-phones use microwaves, right? Not the same frequency, but transmitting and receiving information, nonetheless.

What is the true nature of this microwave fluctuation? Is there proof in physics that states connectivity of these fluctuations is not possible? Would the law of entropy apply if vacuum energy coherence could be established?

[chaos]

[stillwater]

Talking snakes.

A man staying alive in the belly of a fish for days.

Woman made from a man's rib.

This is where you place your faith?

[stillwater]

stillwatcus 23:45 And the lord god Neptune consulted with the talking eel. The eel god sayeth, no tech suits for competition.

and it was good.

[chaos]

Originally Posted by stillwater

Talking snakes.

A man staying alive in the belly of a fish for days.

Woman made from a man's rib.

This is where you place your faith?

......but, but i didn't see these things not happen, so they must be true!
right? right?

[Snot Bubble]

Originally Posted by tjburk

Genesis 6:4 Says that there were giants on the earth. (No corroboration of this has ever been found.)

So if something doesn't exist for evolution...it's because we haven't found it yet...but if it's from the Bible it's automatically said to be false?

Leviticus 11:6 Says that rabbits/hares chew cuds. (No, they don't.)

Do you know that they didn't back then? Just asking...since things supposedly evolve...don't they?

Isaiah 40:22 Says that the earth is a circle. (No, it's a sphere.)

Is not a sphere..a circular object? We can play word games all day...


Job 26:7 He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing.

At the time the scientists believed the earth sat on a large animal...hmmm

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood,

Scientists at the time believed people needed to be bled to be healed...hmmm

And I agree with JMiller...how can we know the number of stars when we don't even know the size of the universe?

Hey snot bubble - did you know that archaeologists are continually finding more and more things that prove the validity of the Bible?...places and events that are in the Bible that they have actually found. And that there are plenty of external references to the people from that time from other sources...go google Josephus - Yosef Ben Matityahu (Joseph, son of Matthias) and see what you find...


We can go round and round all day...in the end it comes to a matter of faith!!!

Faith in what man says he thinks happened to create the world...that has yet to be proved.

Or faith in God who has a written account of how it happened, that has yet to be disproved.

Tracy, you are very dedicated to what you believe are the underpinnings of your faith.

A circle is a two dimensional object, a sphere has three dimensions, they are not the same. Only you are playing word games.

Why are you so stuck on a gradual evolutionary scale? The evidence shows that most evolutionary change has been abrupt and radical. Some apes had offspring that suddenly had opposing thumbs (it is called mutation). The offspring found out that they could grasp things and probably beat the crap out of others, leading to mating with other opposable thumb folks and ruling the world.

Archaeologists find stuff all of the time. The book was written by people living in places they wrote about. It is only reasonable to expect that these places would be dug up at some time. The area has been inhabited for only about 10,000 years, after all. After other people migrated up from Africa.

OK, what do I care about Josephus? That he did not commit suicide with the rest of his troops in the cave? That he wrote extensively about himself? Not following you.

Bleeding was not a scientific thought, since science was considered heresy until about 400 years ago. The church looked dimly upon those who observed the world around them and questioned catholic dogma. Many people disappeared who did not have the external support that Leonardo DaVinci had, or he would have been silenced, too. Kind of ironic that Islam was the real forward thinking religion for about 1000 years.

Oh, Yeah. Rabbits never chewed cud, they are rodents, not ruminants. No evolution necessary.

[Snot Bubble]

Originally Posted by mattson

A "circle of the earth" can be a disc (flat) as well as a sphere, so that buys you nothing.

Scientists have calculated the number of stars (within errors). Much larger than 1100, but hardly incalculable.

If you look into the sky at night, hold up your arm with a fist. Point your thumb up, as if to hitch hike to the stars. Looking at the tip of your thumb, the area blocked from view contains about 1100 stars and other bodies.
There is the beginning of the calculation.

And the universe was estimated at 19 parsecs wide as of 1975. A little larger by now, I would suppose.

[tjburk]

http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/bi...s/scientif.htm

[tjburk]

Originally Posted by Snot Bubble

OK, what do I care about Josephus? That he did not commit suicide with the rest of his troops in the cave? That he wrote extensively about himself? Not following you.

Because Josephus is one of the other people around the time of Jesus and wrote about Him at that time. We know that Josephus lived because of his writings...so by his writings we also have proof that Jesus actually lived.

http://www.carm.org/questions/about-...ple-and-places

[tjburk]

Originally Posted by stillwater

Talking snakes.

A man staying alive in the belly of a fish for days.

Woman made from a man's rib.

This is where you place your faith?

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Yet you will believe that this whole great earth came from nothing! Just exploded into existence...that takes a lot of faith to believe without proof!

[tjburk]

http://www.bibleevidences.com/archeology.htm

[Snot Bubble]

The first entry in Wikipedia for Josephus is the years of his life. 37AD-c.100. Not many people are arguing that Jesus of Nazareth was a person that lived, but Josephus would only have been able to interview very old people about the life and times of the person, if any contemporaries were still alive. Maybe you will be able to clarify this point, too.