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osterber · September 5th, 2003, 11:12 AM

Anyone know what the entry deadline will be for the SCY 2004 national meet?

Reason I ask -- the meet is rather early this year (April 22-25). In New England, we are looking to schedule our local SCY championship meet. It would be nice to be able to have our meet before the entry deadline for the nationals, so that people can use times from our meet to enter.

(Seems to me it makes sense for USMS to push the entry deadline as close to the meet as practical, since I imagine lots of other LMSCs will have SCY championship meets right around the entry deadline.)

-Rick

Sandi Rousseau · September 5th, 2003, 03:27 PM

In the tentative draft of meet information, the meet entry postmark deadline is March 11, 2004 and entry received deadline is March 18, 2004.

onebarbie2 · September 5th, 2003, 04:21 PM

may i ask where you found the information? or are you part of the nationals committee, and that's not something that's part of general public knowledge yet?

osterber · September 5th, 2003, 05:37 PM

Ack. Way too early. I guess that means really none of the times from LMSC championship meets will be able to be used for nationals entries. I don't think any LMSCs have their big meets finished by March 11.

-Rick

Sandi Rousseau · September 5th, 2003, 06:04 PM

I am the liaison from the Championship Committee for this meet. The meet information is not yet available to the public until it is finalized after the United States Aquatic Sports convention later this month. Changes may be made to it due to rules changes, Championship Committee discussion, etc.

We have some option to change the due dates, but I doubt that we could alter it enough to have it be after most LMSC championship meets anyway. There is a lot of data entry and processing after the due date and we have to allow enough time for the meet host to do a thorough job. However, I will take your comments to convention.

pfortoul · September 8th, 2003, 09:56 AM

Since Nationals is so early this year would you guys in New England consider holding the meet in early or mid-May depending on when the Zone meet is. I've been to a few of your Championships and you run a great meet. March is too early for an end of season meet for those swimmers who aren't traveling to Nationals. I'd like to see a high quality meet in the Zone in early May.

Paul Fortoul

seltzer · September 9th, 2003, 02:10 PM

Sandi:

I wonder if with the growing popularity of on-line entry and the super meet management of the people in INDY if they can make do with an last week in March or early April deadline.

Paul:

We are meeting later this month to nail down our scheduling. Must say that most in New England are anxious to play outside once April turns from gloom to bloom.

In any case, we will have something together soon.

Sandi Rousseau · September 9th, 2003, 02:23 PM

Hi Bob,

I will discuss this entry deadline with Mel Goldstein at convention later this week.

The issues we face are: 75% of swimmers enter in the last week before the deadline, problem entries (approximately 10% have errors of some sort that require swimmer contact) need to be solved, psyche sheets posted for corrections from swimmers after initial problems solved, then printing. So the timeline starts from the printer deadline and works backwards. Even though we do not publish the entire heat sheet now due to deck seeding, we still have to do teams, team divisions, the final layout of the program, etc. after the entry deadline.

Sandi

seltzer · September 9th, 2003, 02:38 PM

Sandi:

Please tell Mel that the only reason that I suggest it is that we used a 12 day deadline at 2003 NE SCY and while he will get about 2.5 to 3.0 more entries I know he is at least 4 times better than us.

Thanks

Bob

Sandi Rousseau · September 9th, 2003, 02:42 PM

I'm sure Mel will appreciate your confidence!!

osterber · September 9th, 2003, 07:32 PM

One other suggestion -- it is one we are considering here in NE for our meet: Entry fees based on entry date. I.e., if you send your entry in early, it's cheaper, and if you send your entry in late, it's more expensive. By a couple dollars. I wonder if that kind of incentive would help. (I wonder out loud for our own meet's purposes.)

We've also considered a more extreme form of this -- something such as, you can enter after the entry deadline, but for a $20, or $30 or something penalty.

I'm happy to handle one or two very last-minute entries, especially if they are financially lucrative. :-)

-Rick

Ian · September 10th, 2003, 08:21 AM

The order of events have been posted for the 2004 Long Course Nationals. Would someone please post them for the Short Course Nationals? Thanks.

onebarbie2 · September 10th, 2003, 02:32 PM

if you go to the rule book, the order of events is listed in part 1, page 42. it's 104.5.2A. (it took me some tries to find it, but i knew i had seen it earlier!)

kaffrinn · January 20th, 2004, 11:50 PM

This thread hasn't had a post in the last few months, and I'm wondering if this has been resolved yet.

Thanks,
Katherine

barryf · January 21st, 2004, 03:16 PM

The meet entry postmark deadline is March 11, 2004 and entry received deadline is March 18, 2004. The Meet Information document is in the January-February issue of SWIM.

kaffrinn · January 21st, 2004, 10:50 PM

Thanks, I really appreciate the reply.

But I have one more question: does the "entry received" deadline mean that I could enter the meet online by that date? I only ask because I have a meet on March 14, so I wouldn't make the postmark date with times from that meet, but could make the entry received date if I did everything online.

(This is probably a dumb question, but this is my first year as a Masters swimmer and I don't want to screw up my entry.)

- Katherine

January 21st, 2004, 11:43 PM

Not a dumb question, I have the same question, glad you asked.

barryf · January 23rd, 2004, 01:32 PM

Online entries are encouraged and will be accepted until the end of the day CST on March 18, 2004. Don't wait until the last minute, computers have a habit of not working at the last minute.

September 5th, 2003, 11:12 AM	#1
osterber Very Active Member Rick Osterberg Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Watertown, MA Posts: 335	2004 SCY entry deadline? Anyone know what the entry deadline will be for the SCY 2004 national meet? Reason I ask -- the meet is rather early this year (April 22-25). In New England, we are looking to schedule our local SCY championship meet. It would be nice to be able to have our meet before the entry deadline for the nationals, so that people can use times from our meet to enter. (Seems to me it makes sense for USMS to push the entry deadline as close to the meet as practical, since I imagine lots of other LMSCs will have SCY championship meets right around the entry deadline.) -Rick

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September 5th, 2003, 03:27 PM	#2
Sandi Rousseau Very Active Member Sandi Rousseau Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hood River, OR Posts: 154	In the tentative draft of meet information, the meet entry postmark deadline is March 11, 2004 and entry received deadline is March 18, 2004.

September 5th, 2003, 04:21 PM	#3
onebarbie2 Participating Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 18	may i ask where you found the information? or are you part of the nationals committee, and that's not something that's part of general public knowledge yet?

September 5th, 2003, 05:37 PM	#4
osterber Very Active Member Rick Osterberg Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Watertown, MA Posts: 335	Ack. Way too early. I guess that means really none of the times from LMSC championship meets will be able to be used for nationals entries. I don't think any LMSCs have their big meets finished by March 11. -Rick

September 5th, 2003, 06:04 PM	#5
Sandi Rousseau Very Active Member Sandi Rousseau Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hood River, OR Posts: 154	I am the liaison from the Championship Committee for this meet. The meet information is not yet available to the public until it is finalized after the United States Aquatic Sports convention later this month. Changes may be made to it due to rules changes, Championship Committee discussion, etc. We have some option to change the due dates, but I doubt that we could alter it enough to have it be after most LMSC championship meets anyway. There is a lot of data entry and processing after the due date and we have to allow enough time for the meet host to do a thorough job. However, I will take your comments to convention.

September 8th, 2003, 09:56 AM	#6
pfortoul Participating Member Paul Fortoul Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 4	Since Nationals is so early this year would you guys in New England consider holding the meet in early or mid-May depending on when the Zone meet is. I've been to a few of your Championships and you run a great meet. March is too early for an end of season meet for those swimmers who aren't traveling to Nationals. I'd like to see a high quality meet in the Zone in early May. Paul Fortoul

September 9th, 2003, 02:10 PM	#7
seltzer Very Active Member Bob Seltzer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 200	Sandi: I wonder if with the growing popularity of on-line entry and the super meet management of the people in INDY if they can make do with an last week in March or early April deadline. Paul: We are meeting later this month to nail down our scheduling. Must say that most in New England are anxious to play outside once April turns from gloom to bloom. In any case, we will have something together soon.

September 9th, 2003, 02:23 PM	#8
Sandi Rousseau Very Active Member Sandi Rousseau Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hood River, OR Posts: 154	Hi Bob, I will discuss this entry deadline with Mel Goldstein at convention later this week. The issues we face are: 75% of swimmers enter in the last week before the deadline, problem entries (approximately 10% have errors of some sort that require swimmer contact) need to be solved, psyche sheets posted for corrections from swimmers after initial problems solved, then printing. So the timeline starts from the printer deadline and works backwards. Even though we do not publish the entire heat sheet now due to deck seeding, we still have to do teams, team divisions, the final layout of the program, etc. after the entry deadline. Sandi

September 9th, 2003, 02:38 PM	#9
seltzer Very Active Member Bob Seltzer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 200	Sandi: Please tell Mel that the only reason that I suggest it is that we used a 12 day deadline at 2003 NE SCY and while he will get about 2.5 to 3.0 more entries I know he is at least 4 times better than us. Thanks Bob

September 9th, 2003, 02:42 PM	#10
Sandi Rousseau Very Active Member Sandi Rousseau Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hood River, OR Posts: 154	I'm sure Mel will appreciate your confidence!!

September 9th, 2003, 07:32 PM	#11
osterber Very Active Member Rick Osterberg Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Watertown, MA Posts: 335	One other suggestion -- it is one we are considering here in NE for our meet: Entry fees based on entry date. I.e., if you send your entry in early, it's cheaper, and if you send your entry in late, it's more expensive. By a couple dollars. I wonder if that kind of incentive would help. (I wonder out loud for our own meet's purposes.) We've also considered a more extreme form of this -- something such as, you can enter after the entry deadline, but for a $20, or $30 or something penalty. I'm happy to handle one or two very last-minute entries, especially if they are financially lucrative. :-) -Rick

September 10th, 2003, 08:21 AM	#12
Ian Active Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 78	The order of events have been posted for the 2004 Long Course Nationals. Would someone please post them for the Short Course Nationals? Thanks.

September 10th, 2003, 02:32 PM	#13
onebarbie2 Participating Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 18	if you go to the rule book, the order of events is listed in part 1, page 42. it's 104.5.2A. (it took me some tries to find it, but i knew i had seen it earlier!)

January 20th, 2004, 11:50 PM	#14
kaffrinn Active Member Katherine Ewald Olson Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 61	This thread hasn't had a post in the last few months, and I'm wondering if this has been resolved yet. Thanks, Katherine

January 21st, 2004, 03:16 PM	#15
barryf Very Active Member Barry Fasbender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Palo Alto, CA Posts: 232	The meet entry postmark deadline is March 11, 2004 and entry received deadline is March 18, 2004. The Meet Information document is in the January-February issue of SWIM.

January 21st, 2004, 10:50 PM	#16
kaffrinn Active Member Katherine Ewald Olson Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 61	Thanks, I really appreciate the reply. But I have one more question: does the "entry received" deadline mean that I could enter the meet online by that date? I only ask because I have a meet on March 14, so I wouldn't make the postmark date with times from that meet, but could make the entry received date if I did everything online. (This is probably a dumb question, but this is my first year as a Masters swimmer and I don't want to screw up my entry.) - Katherine

January 21st, 2004, 11:43 PM	#17
dorothyrd Guest Posts: n/a	Not a dumb question, I have the same question, glad you asked.

January 23rd, 2004, 01:32 PM	#18
barryf Very Active Member Barry Fasbender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Palo Alto, CA Posts: 232	Online entries are encouraged and will be accepted until the end of the day CST on March 18, 2004. Don't wait until the last minute, computers have a habit of not working at the last minute.