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    Breaststroke pace chart

    Hi! I have seen a freestyle pace chart (i.e., a list of various 100 yard/meter goal times, usually in intervals differing by 1 second, that says what times you need to go in your 25s/50s to hit that goal time). Does anyone have one specific to breaststroke?

    Apologies if this question has already been asked.

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    Re: Breaststroke pace chart

    I have never seen one.I think a general rule is your first 50 for a 100 should be within 1 sec of your best 50,and the second 50 should be about 4 sec slower.This can tell you about what your 25 and 50 workout time should be to be race pace.Lets say your goal time is 1:10.That means your splits should be about 33-37.This also means your best time for a 50 needs to be about a 32.In workout to do race pace you should be keeping your 50s at 37 and your 25s under 18.5(18.0 would be better as you have no turn,)
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    Re: Breaststroke pace chart

    Allen,

    I agree 100%...My best 50 and 100 breaststroke times bear this out.

    - My first 50 of my best 100 is .99 seconds slower than my best 50 time.
    - My second 50 of my best 100 was 4.12 seconds slower than my first 50.
    - My best practice 50 sprint set average (SP1) was within .21 seconds of my second 50 split of my best 100

    Kinda neat...

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    I have never seen one.I think a general rule is your first 50 for a 100 should be within 1 sec of your best 50,and the second 50 should be about 4 sec slower.This can tell you about what your 25 and 50 workout time should be to be race pace.Lets say your goal time is 1:10.That means your splits should be about 33-37.This also means your best time for a 50 needs to be about a 32.In workout to do race pace you should be keeping your 50s at 37 and your 25s under 18.5(18.0 would be better as you have no turn,)
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    Re: Breaststroke pace chart

    In high school my times played out a bit different. My best sprint was a 30. The first 50 of my 100 was a 30.3, and my second 50 was a 33.4. Very close to what you all had.

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    Re: Breaststroke pace chart

    Good thread

    So Allen to get my 34.8 50 to a ultimate 100 time I'd have to go say :35.5 to :36 and then :40 for a 1:16. I'm not too far off at 1:19 Maybe I have to gut out the first 50 a bit more...



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    Re: Breaststroke pace chart

    Why would the answer to this question be special for breaststroke?

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    Re: Breaststroke pace chart

    The 1st/2nd split differential for a 100 will/should be greater for a hand-activated breaststroke/fly touch turn than for a foot-activated flip turn.

    Basically, your leading hands in BR can get to the wall quicker than your trailing feet can in a flip turn.

    So you have a faster first 50 and a slower 2nd 50 in BR/FL when compared to FR/BA for the same 100 time.

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    Re: Breaststroke pace chart

    it makes sense to me too.

    my current fastest 100m time is 1:14:08, but I was so full of energy at the end, that I new I should have gone out faster.

    my splits were 35:05 / 39.03 = 1:14,08

    my fastest 50m is 33.37 at the time.

    my goals for the end of March is to go under 33.0 in the 50 and under 1:13.00 in the 100

    34 + 38.5

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    Re: Breaststroke pace chart

    Quote Originally Posted by SwimStud View Post
    Good thread

    So Allen to get my 34.8 50 to a ultimate 100 time I'd have to go say :35.5 to :36 and then :40 for a 1:16. I'm not too far off at 1:19 Maybe I have to gut out the first 50 a bit more...
    Stud, I've found this to be true. I started studying splits of the fast guys' 100s, and invariably they take them out within a second or so of their best 50. I started trying going out harder, and dropped my 100 time significantly. At an SCM meet where I went a 35.5 50, I split my 100 37.11/41.15. So I needed to go out even a little stronger. And yes, it hurts.

    If you want a real eye-opener, take a look at how the Top 5 split a 200. The first 50 is way too close for comfort to all out, and they somehow hang on from there. I haven't screwed up the necessary courage to try that yet.
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    Re: Breaststroke pace chart

    Thanks Bill...
    I'll give it a shot one of these days...

    The 200 is a frightening prospect to take on at FLAT OUT -1% lol



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    Re: Breaststroke pace chart

    How fast to go out in a 200 depends on many factors such as conditioning and how much you are a sprinter vs a distance person.I like to go out my 1st 50 about 3-4 sec slower than my fastest 50 in SCY and 4-5 sec slower in LCM.I want to split my 1st 100 4 sec faster than my 2nd.I think most Masters swimmers split more than that meaning they go out too fast.At the SPMA SCM meet I was seeded with swimmers about my speed(of course,seeded 4th fastest)and my split difference was 5 sec.I was told that at the 50 I was 8th of 8,at the 100 I was 6th,at the 150 4th and finished 2nd(and was told I'd have gotten 1st in a 202M race.)This means to me that everyone went out too fast.
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    Re: Breaststroke pace chart

    The top 3 in my age group from Austin last year show how it's done:

    50 breast:

    1 Weissman, Chris J 45 ANCM 27.50 27.14N 11
    2 Mills, Glenn D 46 ARIZ 27.51 27.25N 9

    100 breast:

    1 Weissman, Chris J 45 ANCM 1:00.10 59.60 11
    27.89 59.60 (31.71)
    2 Mills, Glenn D 46 ARIZ 1:01.04 1:00.16 9
    28.19 1:00.16 (31.97)
    3 Guthrie, David M 47 SMU 1:00.25 1:00.24 8
    27.76 1:00.24 (32.48)

    200:

    1 Mills, Glenn D 46 ARIZ 2:13.91 2:10.64N 11
    29.14 1:02.50 (33.36) 1:36.39 (33.89) 2:10.64 (34.25)
    2 Guthrie, David M 47 SMU 2:11.42 2:11.87 9
    29.74 1:03.62 (33.88) 1:37.54 (33.92) 2:11.87 (34.33)
    3 Weissman, Chris J 45 ANCM 2:13.50 2:14.30 8
    30.09 1:03.87 (33.78) 1:38.53 (34.66) 2:14.30 (35.77)


    Amazing to me how close that opening 50 in the 200 is to all out for these guys (not to mention way faster than I can go in a 50), and the 100 is virtually an all-out sprint the whole way.
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