no mask lifeguard

[ElaineK]

Thanks for the primer on drownings like I'm your 10 grade social studies teacher you're trying to impress. Nothing you quote serves as proof to your assertion (which may be correct). Since I've taken care of more drownings, by a factor of 100, than you have please try harder next time.

I didn't write that; the CDC did. I copy/pasted it (everything in black font) from their pdf, and only bolded what THEY wrote.

I think the CDC probably knows more than you do. Try telling the CDC they need to "try harder next time"!

[renie]

I really think folks are reading too much into things that aren't there, or aren't fully understanding the context of the question. I'll tell you I was very surprised at the first meet I went to for my kids when I saw lifeguards. I figured a swim meet with a dozen coaches watching every kid would be about the last place a lifeguard would be needed. I think if we were talking in person, we'd be able to get our points across and not shock anyone.

I will say that, to address the OP's point, I have never seen a lifeguard who was distracted with phones, food, or whatever, while on the chair. Even if she was trying to come up with names for all 9 of the kids she was going to have with a brave dork nicknamed "Squints."

I've been in dozens of indoor pool facilities, and I can honestly say that only the current one that I've been a member of for over 10 years, has guards who eat in the chair, secretly check their cell phones, etc. If I were to complain, our unprofessional managers would reveal the name of the complainant.

[67King]

QUOTE=renie;339855]I've been in dozens of indoor pool facilities, and I can honestly say that only the current one that I've been a member of for over 10 years, has guards who eat in the chair, secretly check their cell phones, etc. If I were to complain, our unprofessional managers would reveal the name of the complainant.[/QUOTE]

Can you leave some sort of written, anonymous complaint? And if necessary, go above the managers' heads to complain about them?

[renie]

Sorry about this getting off topic, Renie. I've been on the forums for over ten years now, and this happens often!

The unprofessional behavior of the guards you describe is unacceptable, to say the least. Where is management? Perhaps a complaint should be filed, because they may be completely unaware this is going on.

No problem, Elaine. It happens. I am so tired of people defending rule abusers. If i were to complain, the manager would tell the offender who complained, and there would be retaliation. It's a tough situation. There are people in this state who walk their dog at night just yards from their house, alone, with a mask on. Expecting a lifeguard to follow the signs posted throughout the gym is not being "judgy" as said above.

[ElaineK]

No problem, Elaine. It happens. I am so tired of people defending rule abusers. If i were to complain, the manager would tell the offender who complained, and there would be retaliation. It's a tough situation. There are people in this state who walk their dog at night just yards from their house, alone, with a mask on. Expecting a lifeguard to follow the signs posted throughout the gym is not being "judgy" as said above.

See 67's comment above. I agree. I also agree with what I put in bold above.

[Skuj]

Thanks for the primer on drownings like I'm your 10 grade social studies teacher you're trying to impress. Nothing you quote serves as proof to your assertion (which may be correct). Since I've taken care of more drownings, by a factor of 100, than you have please try harder next time.

Your bedside manner needs some work!

I have great respect for lifeguards, and everything that they do to become qualified. Are they all perfect? Are all medical doctors perfect?

This thread is an embarrassment.

[Kurt Dickson]

Your bedside manner needs some work!

This thread is an embarrassment.

Thanks for the feedback Skuj...you're a good friend.

Not sure why discussing options on how to best spend limited resources is an embarrassment but you are certainly entitled to your view. I belong to multiple pools. One has never had a lifeguard or a drowning in over 200,000 hours. Another with usually 2-5 lifeguards at any given time, has had 3 near-drownings I know of. I could make some ridiculous assertion that having lifeguards increases your likelihood of incident which is supported by my data. I stand by my assertion on aforementioned cut/paste document. Likely it's not a provable assertion. Perhaps lifeguarding is useful in certain situations and in others, better spent on drowning prevention and learning to swim programs. My YMCA closed its pool reportedly because it could not afford the heat but kept its lifeguards on staff (?).

When you're spending others money it's important to know if there is value to what you're doing. As 67 has alluded to, there may be different value to different situations in lifeguarding. I would say a popular beach would be the most valuable situation if you're trying to prove efficacy. But, if you are going to quote mortality statistics for a guarded beach, in say a blue font, it would be disingenuous not to quote mortality statistics for a control beach where there is no lifeguard.

Elaine, as an aside, you and I have annoyed the crap out of many people on the forums which is well documented. Perhaps you and I can use this as a time of reflection on our individual presentation and personalities and strive to be better and more likable...or not.

[67King]

Elaine, as an aside, you and I have annoyed the crap out of many people on the forums which is well documented. Perhaps you and I can use this as a time of reflection on our individual presentation and personalities and strive to be better and more likable...or not.

I think y'all are both good folks, just overreacting to the others' positions. I second the motion for a truce Or else, I might have to stop this car.......

[ElaineK]

Elaine, as an aside, you and I have annoyed the crap out of many people on the forums which is well documented. Perhaps you and I can use this as a time of reflection on our individual presentation and personalities and strive to be better and more likable...or not.